Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I am not from USA, never have been there, but my impression is that in USA media are far more powerful than the justice system and rational thinking is crushed by easy emotional moods, stereotypes and a hunger for violence coated in a pompous moral attitude. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. And, when she got assigned to the mail routes in the city of Cottage Grove, Oregon, as a part of her job with the U.S. postal service, he didnt have any qualms with her taking the children. You hit the nail on the head by stating that in the US especially, they seem to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. It has become entertainment and there can only be good, bad and evil. I feel compelled to comment on this blog, because having recently read Ann Rules book, I feel exactly as you did. The towel and a girl who had a stroke, was separated from her family and was constantly questioned without being recorded or accompanied by a loved one and testifying to facts that do not match the testimony of the forensic expert is not being reduced to conjecture? I like the way you keep an open mind about Diane herself and what she may or may not have been going through mentally. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. And what happened to her little daughter is beyond unethical. Hello. TOP 10 why didn t steve downs get custody BEST and NEWEST A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History. Because she was failing quite miserably at remaining pure and chaste, she was expelled after only a year, and thus, she returned to her parents home in Arizona. There were a few calls and on one occasion, The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings , So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. No worries. Wasnt Mr. F supposed to be a child molester? In her book, Ann Rule made sure to mention that running water was heard by a dispatcher when Diane was at the hospital; insinuating that she was washing her hands and getting rid of evidence. Another conflict of interest. WTF? Actor Robert Blake was found not guilty of the shooting murder of his wife. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.. Yes, I had filed for divorce and then I canceled it. As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? Danny and Christie survived the attack while middle child, Cheryl, died from her injuries at the time. The way this investigation and the trial were conducted only left me with doubts. Nobody near to help. What would have been the conclusion to have drawn without this hate campaign? It probably was not salacious enough for her readers that she polled online to establish if there was enough interest in the story to fill her pockets with a definite blockbuster. I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. Can you imagine your little boy growing up to beat to death (with his bare hands and boots) Is she referring to her ex husband? They were not truth seekers and enjoyed a nice burning at the stake instead. She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. And I care about the lack of evidence. The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. Leslie Van Houten is an example of a woman who probably will never see the light of day because of her high profile status. As an adoptive parent I cant even imagine trying to justify to my daughter our adopting her if we had in any way been a part of the case to terminate her from her bio family. Don't get butt hurt. Not giving you free reign here. She did not have the opportunity to clean her hands with the right product to erase all traces and she was tested pretty fast, contrary to many other cases. I read the letter they sent to the Downs when they were fighting to see their grandchildren. Judges are subject to certain ethical standards and have a duty to be impartial. I know people who know or knew people is not a valid argument. The fact that Dianes injury was way more serious than they tried to pretend? You read a few comments. Just saw the video of Dianes parole hearing. That is pure bullshit. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. I cant believe that it was allowed to happen, actually. You indicated you were not going to get a divorce? Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorneys office. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation. http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story. Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. Diane found with him,the kind of relationship she had never known before: there was actually care and intimacy involved. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. Or that the sketch did not resemble the suspect enough? Nowadays, this insanity would never be tolerated. How was DD able to get away from CK and get the keys back into the ignition without there being more attempts on her life? Maybe dad relinquished, it sounds like he may have. The Media or ISIS? Jury begins deliberations in decades-old rape and murder case - WMTW time it was the situation was down. The inconsistencies and obvious lack of evidence in this case should have called for a wider investigation instead of solely focusing on their prime suspect. All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. So I start with that bit of history in mind. We make them president!!!! Maybe she wanted to buy drugs. Not hard to go there. Therefore, it is hard knowing where he is right now, considering his low profile of keeping away from the spotlight. But for what it is worth, I believe she tried to kill her 3 kids. As it was getting dark and the young ones fell asleep in the car, their mother decided to head home. Some cases are so one sided that you feel like exposing or at least, discussing the other side. I talked about her still being locked up, all these years later, because I really want to know is it because we believe she will commit more crimes or is it because we need more revenge? So how she behaved at the time, should not have been a factor influencing the authorities. Let me tell you, it wasnt just the investigators and the prosecution that didnt believe herwe, Oregonians, (who ACTUALLY live here and watched what was happening) believe she is guilty. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. Fred Hugi is a man of the highest integrity and I hope that Dianes surviving two children finally found the love and stability they had been denied by their natural mother. She met Robert "Nick" Knickerbocker and started having a relationship with him earlier. So they did everything in their power to slant the media and the public in their favor. Every single one of these questions matter. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. The very suspicious aspect of this ballistic saga is that Hugi said they had the bill of sale and serial number for the first Ruger and it was definitely the murder weapon. It was not the right gun. However, when all the details came to be understood by the police, Steve found out what really happened to his kids. They examined her clothes also. He separated from his wife and was going to follow Diane who, by now, had decided to move and work in Oregon to be closer to her parents. According to Rule and the court, the unicorn was a memorial to her children that she purchased after premeditating their murder. Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. By the time the incident had happened, it seems as if the two had parted ways . You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane.. Mainly because the courts have to give every chance possible and all the services necessary to the bio family to try to preserve the relationship. So, how much do you know about him aside from this acting profile? As she walked away, Detective Welch called after her, If you dont testify against Steve, youre going to lose everything. Diane turned back to say, Show me proof, and walked away. I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. Just goes to show how difficult it is sometimes to find the truth. Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. Did Anyone Watch 20/20 Last Night? - Page 3 - Blogs & Forums - QVC The price of celebrity for her was losing her freedom and her children for life. Maybe I'm dramatic but I no longer want to watch it . This really makes me angry, that prosecuter and judge should be sued along with the writter. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He gave temporary custody to Dr. Wilhite. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. ABC MOVIE FOR TV Small Sacrifices 1989 Farrah Fawcett, Ryan ONeal. My website is in the process of being migrated so it has no photos. Celebrity Author Covers Case Ann Rule wrote 'Small Sacrifices,' later released as a movie. She claimed she . It had nothing to do with the evidence of the case and represents useless labeling anyway. Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. Love Island's Jay Younger reveals what you DON'T see on the show DNA Test Kits Are Helping Solve Cold Cases Decades Later, After Nearly a Year, There Could Finally be an Investigation Into the Death of Elijah McClain. And because of this, they formed a profound connection that matured into a relationship. please express them and I will print them. What about the judge stopping a defendant from getting a new attorney? I enjoyed your take, and agree their are several reasons with this, and lets be honestevery other case ever prosecuted, to take pause and question but Diane continues to lie, make up brand new stories about people after her, and has made no moves to better herself in any way shape or form while shes been in prison, by her own admission. She has been in prison for so long that we dont know what her mental health situation is so it is a moot point for me. Mind: Wrongful convicted. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. Even if the nurses notes indicated countless times that the children asked for their mother and enjoyed her visits, they cut them off from the only family they knew and loved; supposedly for their own protection. why didn't steve downs get custodylagu sekolah minggu bahasa inggris Opinion Fox News's blackout of Jan. 6 points to a hidden crisis for Democrats The not-so-shocking revelation that Fox News will not carry House committee hearings about the insurrection is yet another sign that right-wing media will go to extraordinary lengths to shield . why didn't steve downs get custody. , The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie, Anne Rule might have inflamed the case with her book, Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), The Diane Downs Case Was no Small Sacrifice. Moms were working more, we were becoming the latch key generation, as in we let ourselves in alone while still in elementary school.when I mentioned before about maturity of a 8, 9, 10 year oldwe loved playing outside on bikes, and playing with our dolls, boys usually had their action figures..lol.and we loved our moms, even if they were young and liked to go out and sent us to babysitters..the book and movie, Im quite sure, over did the situation..and Im sure there was more on both sides, the family of diane, diane herself, but well never know all the details. They had their second child, Cheryl Lynn, in 1976, followed by Stephen Danial, born in 1979. Susan, I dont know if there ever was a lawsuit against Ann Rule from the Fredericksons family. It's not even known if he still resides in Arizona, where he used to live with Diane and their three kids. Lets not take that lightly. You can believe what you like. A. The lack of balance and objectivity. The fact that the accused in this case was atypical, makes her the perfect target. 0. Steves surviving children had endured a horrifying experience performed by someone they loved and cared about. tell someone else. This happened in 1983, not 1893. They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. And yes, its your site, but dont act like a site is open for discussion if its not. When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I sayreadthis to understand accounts of people laughing at the wrong time and how it is related to their personality disorder. The lawsuit against Ann Rule was thrown out as unfounded because after reading her book they could find no inconsistencies She sat thru the entire trial AND used actual court transcripts. She states, I did not shoot my children and I cant say I did. Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. An earlier commenter wrote that it doesnt matter that the trail or the investigation was faultyWHAT !? I see that Downs had a parole hearing in late 2020 but I cant see the outcome. I mention in the blog that Dianes mental health is in question so it is obvious that her encounter with her long lost daughter was going to be difficult. This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. The State had the same gut feeling and made sure she would pay. Christie was the primary witness in the case against her mother. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. I think u need to read the facts. I have nothing to gain and I am not making up songs and dances about a unicorn. Where is Diane Downs' husband now? It is not because a defendant is found guilty or disliked that it is acceptable to bend the rules. And on this site, I mention that I take a restorative approach. A fact strongly denied by Diane and by the nurses reports. Knick had NOT signed the premarital agreement, but that didnt stay his pursuit of Diane, knowing she was moving 1200 miles away. After six weeks in Oregon where the children were happily spending time with their grandparents while Diane worked her postal route, the incident happened on a dark road that led to Diane being accused of murder and attempted murder. It is also very is to clean. Litigating at the Supreme Court in . It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. In reply to Kit After graduation, Steven joined the Navy and Diane was sent to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College where she failed miserably at remaining pure and chaste, not unlike most girls of her generation who rejected their strict religious upbringing. Anyways, I was 10 years old when this happened, I stayed with my aunt and uncle a lot in those years, in which they watched A LOT of nightly news programs.lol most of it was like white noise to me, as I would play with my barbies on their living room floorbut I do remember this story. And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. On her way to the hospital,she was followed by someone who said she was going slow, but Diane said she was driving fairly fast. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1 of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords). She has been denied parole 2x and is up again in 2020. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). People can have a certain vibe and act out of the norms, but it does not make them necessarily guilty. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case. In addition to treating brain cancer, he works toward health equity. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular. Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of truth and lie, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie. It was writtenrepeatedly in the daily notes that the children were happy to see their mom and asked for her. I was being sarcastic. Not speculative? Do you remember a couple of days after that, December I feel sorry for Diane too. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. I watched the highlights of her hearing. I like to believe the best about people too but there are certain things that absolutely cant be ignored. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side. But you told Diane Downs to go ahead and get an apartment? So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. I also wish that Dianes children have a great life. You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. If not, why not? What happened to Diane Downs ex-husband? Diane Frederickson was born August 7, 1955 in Phoenix, Arizona. Youre right to say that a GSR is not always foolproof and between 10-20% of suicide GSR kits test negative for GSR. What disease did Ray Liotta have, and what caused his death? From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a dangerous offender. Mrs. Fredericksons concern for her daughters emotional state was well placed. This is not my scenario Tasha. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business. And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? Plus, the circumstances of this charade were more than sinister. There were days she was unhappy to see the staff and her family because she was very ill. That poor girl had a lot of bad moments where she would cry constantly or trigger the machines and to have defined this single incident as one of terror instead of excitement over seeing her mom was biased and self-serving. I hope she is granted parole. I care about what was said at trial. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports. I might not have put enough information to your liking, but I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. Except for Paul Cortez. It was the story of two troubled young souls trying to survive without a safety net. Take your smugness elsewhere, at long last. I agree that the verdict may have been very different. Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. you quoted what diane said as to what happened When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. Surely before Diane downs, there were other mothers who killed their kids..or allegedly did, however in 83 and 84 it made national news, nothing quite like it had come across the media world, which during that decade was really skyrocketing in sensationalismI believe is where it started, becoming less news and more entertainment. Children imitate their parents every move. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. Guilty or not, the case was handled with prejudice and many errors occurred. Dianewas jealous ofthe other woman, but Robert Knickerbockers wife said that she foundher rather friendly during their encounter. Imagine the ones there for years. The discovery that he wasnt his biological child made him leave the relationship. Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? You wondered at times, which side he was working for. According to Oregon law, this would have to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Diane provided both. He had an attorney, Fred G. Campbell Jr., send us a letter denying our request and telling us: You are legally, as well as factually, a stranger to them. Who does he think he is? 3. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steves rage took the last step on the path hed been treading for a long time. why didn't steve downs get custody - dtdigital.net Q. It is called a conflict of interest. Cheryl was shot twice in the back and one of the bullets ended up on the floorboard. It is not, nor should be, a Conflict of Interest for a caring adult to Foster one or more siblings. What got her convicted was two things the towel and Christie. Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. Diane was right-handed. So she could not have shot her kids at the distance determined by the state unless she changed her clothing and it did not come up at trial. Unfortunately, Danny Downs was permanently paralyzed from the waist down because of a bullet injury in his back. It seems that everyone commenting just knows shes guilty, like you say. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. He actually was the one who suggested theybecome intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. I wanted to ask you something on this case. Transgender CeCe McDonald Out of Prison but Not Out of the Woods. Yes, Im sure this stranger wanted to kill her kids but only wound her, who, coincidentally, had a towel handy neatly folded on her wound. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. Just my opinion. We make them president. I dont care what Diane Downs says at the parole board hearing, except if she is innocent or guilty. I hope this would never fly these days to separate wounded children from the only family members they have.

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